Then the New York group came out, which was headed by Martin Scorsese and all of those film students. I was friends with John Davidson, who was one of Marty's students. They were constantly recommending people to make movies for Roger ... To this day I'm convinced that one of The Howling's dream sequences is in Alligator and one of Alligator's dream sequences is in The Howling. He used to write them on the airplane. He would come out to the meetings and we would discuss ...